Sunday, June 24, 2012

Identity: Defining Self on One's Own Terms or Being Defined By Others


So, you've probably heard of the idea of self-fulfilling prophesy that we become who we think we are, for better or for worse. This question of identity-of understanding and defining who you are-is yet another gigantic life question that shows up in Hurston's novel and in life. One major issue that surrounds questions of identity is who defines it? Do I get to decide who I am in life or do others decide that for me in various ways? This seems like the most obvious question in the universe. Of course, everyone should get to decide their own identities! But, when we look into the hallways of the high school, into the conference rooms of the business world, around the family dinner table, is this always the case? Do we have friends, family members, and co-workers that influence the way we think or feel about ourselves? Are they, in some ways, helping to shape our identities, in negative and positive ways? Or, do they provide feedback, and it's up to us to accept or reject it into our self concepts/identities like a really good peer edit in writing workshop?

As far as Janie is concerned, how does she define herself in the beginning of the novel? Are there points when she lets others define her? What are the consequences of this? How does this change as the novel progresses? What realizations does she make?

34 comments:

  1. In the beginning of the book, Janie wants to be treated fairly and not let other people define herself. When Nanny sets her up with Logan Killicks, she realizes she does not love him but because of his wealth, she knew that he would be able to provide a stable life for her. As time passed, Logan began making her do more chores and stops pampering her. When Janie meets Joe Starks, she falls in love but over time, he began to treat her with disrespect and tried to change who she was. Finally, Janie met Tea Cake who helped show her what love really is and never wanted to change her. Through out the book, Janie was influenced by the men in her life to act a certain way, but when she met Tea Cake, she learned that she shouldn't let other people define who she is. She realizes that people should love her for her and not try to make her fit another image.

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  2. Early on in the novel, Janie feels as if she is the same as everyone of the children she was raised with. She wanted to be treated equal to the other boys and girls and didn't want to be defined by the color skin she had or anything else like that. Throughout the novel Janie is forced to change for the men in her life, until one man named Tea Cake came along and showed her that she shouldn't have to stop being herself to please anyone. He shows her that she should love who she is and not change just to fit in. This makes her realize she should just be herself and the people that really love her will accept her for who she is and not try to change her.

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  3. Our society revolves around people comparing themselves to their friends, family, and co-workers. Sometimes it’s for the good and other times for the bad. In the beginning of the novel Their Eyes Were Watching God it is revealed that Janie Crawford lived with her Nanny in a white couple’s backyard. Since Janie is an African-American, all of the kids would tease her since she was different. Janie wished for all the kids to treat her equally, and not define her by what she looks like. She didn’t even realize she had a different color skin until she saw a photograph. Janie’s first two husbands, Logan Killicks and Joe Starks, both define the role they wish Janie to play. Logan Killicks was mean and wanted Janie to help him do all of the farm work which was something she was not interested in. Joe Starks sheltered Janie to the extreme and forced her to work in the store all day when she wished to make new friends. The consequence is that she now can’t be herself or live the way she wants. Eventually, when her love Tea Cake comes along Janie realizes the main goal in life should be to find happiness in yourself.

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  4. In the beginning of the novel, Janie tries to define herself and make her own choices. Nanny is the first person to put an end to it. She says that Janie has to marry Logan Killicks and be happy because he is willing to share all he has with her. Janie is not happy with this, her first marriage. Janie never really loved Logan, the only reason she married him was because Nanny told her to. Janie puts an end to it when Logan stops pampering her and starts making her help with the chores outside of the house. She then meets this great, visionary man, Joe Starks. She falls in love with him but it’s not long before he tries to make her the girl he wants and doesn’t take her for who she really is. Again Jamie’s thoughts and opinions are subdued, and she doesn’t get to express herself. She is told that she has to work at the store, along with doing the normal chores around the house. Then Joe notices the other men staring and messing with her hair so he orders Janie to put it up. He also doesn’t let her out of the store to join into the conversations that happen on the front porch just because she is a girl and he doesn’t feel she belongs in the conversation. At the end of the novel she meets Tea Cake who was the only one to show her what true love really was. He was the only person in her life that didn’t try to change who she was, he loved her the way she was and didn’t want her to change. She got to express herself and show her love for Tea Cake through the choices she made and the effort she put into her marriage with him. She didn’t just work in the kitchen and do house hold chores; she also went out to the field to work side by side with Tea Cake because she missed him during the day. After all of her marriages she came to the realization that people should love her for who she is not what people can make of her.

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  5. At the beginning of the novel, Janie wants to define who she is and not let anybody else change who she is. When she marries Logan Killicks, she still had that small sense that she can be who she wants. But after all the pampering is out of the way, Logan starts to make her do more and more chores around the hosue. Slowly it starts to become obivous that he is slowly changing and shaping her into somebody that he wants. When Joe Starks comes along Janie falls in love with him and he pampers her like Logan used to. But also like Logan, after awhile Starks stops all the pampering and makes Janie do much more hard chores and changes her into his model life. When Starks dies, Janie still can't bring herself the cofindence that she needs to redefine herself because of the towns views on how a mourning woman should act. Then Tea Cake came along and rekindled the fire that had been dormant for so long. Tea Cake allowed Janie to define herself as she wished and didn't ask for anything from her besides her love. Throughout her marriage with Tea Cake, she was allowed to show her true colors. When Tea Cake died, Janie still went on showing who she really is because she learned that nobody besides yourself should be able to define and tell you who you are.

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  6. Identity is defined any way an individual chooses. Although a person's life is almost entirely chosen by themselves, other factors come into play. Stereotypes and expectations made by other people change how we accept ourselves, sometimes causing us to change our identity to please others. It's nice to get feedback, but it should ultimately be up to the individual to decide what is part of their identity. At the beginning of the novel, Janie is relatively confident in who she is and she knows what she wants. This begins to change once the true natures of both Logan Killicks and Joe Starks come out. They belittle her and treat her as a trophy wife who should do the domestic work. As Janie grows numb to this kind of treatment, her identity is muffled. She loses her will to fight and loses sight of her dreams. Yet once Stark dies and Tea Cake shows Janie how she deserves to be treated, her identity comes back in full-force. Even after Tea Cake dies, Janie carries on the life lessons and realizes that no matter what anyone else says, only you truly know who you are and what makes you happy.

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  7. In the beginning of the novel, Janie is raised with a wealthy white family; she saw herself as being like them. Playing with their children, she did not see a difference. Janie states, "Ah was wid dem white chillun so much till Ah didn't know Ah wuzn't white till Ah was round six years old." (Pg 8) She first realized she was colored from a photograph, and was utterly surprised to find out that she didn't resemble the others. From there, things changed, and she came to find out that she wasn't equal to the white kids; she was treated unfairly due to the color of her skin. Nanny wanted Janie to have a better life than she did, so she had Janie go off to be married to Logan. With that, Janie was defined as a measly housewife. Later on, when she came to be with Joe, she became known as the mayor's wife, high up in society. With both of these titles, Janie was not happy because they were flung on to her, and she did not choose to be those things. Overall, Janie was the happiest when she was defined as being free. By being with Tea Cake, she was not oppressed and held her free will.

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  8. I think that how you see yourself, and how you present yourself defines what your identity is. Many people in today's society allow others to shape what kind of person they are.Growing up, Janie was raised by a white family and felt herself as an equal to them. Her Nanny wants her to have a better life than she did, so Janie marries Logan to have a stable lifestyle. She soon realizes that her life with Logan was not what she wanted. When she ran off with Joe, she he made her believe that she would be able to make her decisions. Soon after moving to the town, he started to shape her into the woman that he wanted and not what she wanted. When she met Tea Cake he allowed her to be whatever kind of person she wanted to be. An example would be that he let her go out into the muck and work by his side, just because she wanted to help. She realizes throughout the book that her journey was what gave her the strength to stand up for herself and be the type of woman she wanted to be.

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  9. I think that you defy who you are. It’s not other peoples decisions that defy you, and that’s the problem with society today. We let our peers decide who we are and what clique we fit in. When Janie was younger, she thought she was like any other white child until someone showed her a picture and she was African American. After Janie married Joe Starks, she let him define her. He ordered her to serve him and to never have a word in anything. As a result, Janie was shy and acted more as a servant than as a wife. After Janie marries Tea Cake, she acts more like herself and treats Tea Cake as a wife should treat a husband. At the end of the book, she realizes that true love is out there and sometimes it takes a journey to realize who you were all along.

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  10. In the beginning of the story, Janie has no idea who she is. She thinks she is white, and it takes a picture for her to figure out she isn't. She was unsure of who she was through her first two marriages. She is pushed around easily in the first. By the end of the second one, she has an idea of what she wants to be, but she doesn't know how to make it happen. When she marries Tea Cake, he brings out the best in her and she becomes herself and finds out who she really is.

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  11. In the beginning of the book, Janie was being raised in the backyard of a white family, and she thought that she was the same as the white people. She then saw a photograph and realized that she wasn't like the others, that she was black. She lets her grandmother shape her identity, and makes her marry Logan. She then is pushed around in her first and second marriage, and she let her husbands define her. As the novel goes on, Janie realizes that she should do what she wants, and follow what she believes in,so she changes her ways, and doesn't let anyone define her.

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  12. Janie defines herself throughout the novel. In the beginning of the novel, Janie lived with a wealthy white family. She was unaware that she was different and thought she was white. Janie defines herself and has some plans for her future. She knows what she wants and plans to find it. When Janie is married to Joe Starks she lets him define her. He makes her put her hair up so other men can’t look at it. He also makes her stay inside the store and maintain the typical female role of doing house work. Joe would also ridicule Janie and scold her when she defended herself. At this point in the book Janie was defined by Joe. She couldn’t do what she wanted and was forced to do what Joe told her to do. Janie left Joe and met Tea Cake. While Janie was married to Tea Cake she defined herself. She would go out with Tea Cake whenever she wanted and wasn’t limited to what she could do. In the end, Janie realized that she doesn’t need a man to survive in life.

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  13. The only person who should define you, is yourself. Others may have an influence on you, but you’re the only person who knows who you really are deep down. Friends and families can also influence you in a good way and also a bad way sometimes. They can provide negative feedback by saying you’re not good enough to do something or they could provide positive feedback and support whatever you do, it depends on the person saying the feedback. Janie defines herself in the beginning of the book as a little white girl because the little kids she used to play with were white until she saw a picture of herself as a little African American girl. There are points where she lets men define who she is. The consequences are that she can’t find love. She finds a new guy named Tea Cake who doesn’t want to define who she is. She realizes that she is happier without having someone who is rich and controlling and that she doesn’t need someone to define who she is because all that matters in the end is what she thinks of herself.

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  14. We have all been raised in a world where people are constantly defining who you are. At the beginning of the novel, Janie is living with her grandmother, Nanny. They live on the land of a white family and Janie would always play with the family’s children. She always thought she was just like the rest of them until she saw a photo of herself and found out she was the little black girl in the photograph. When she is married to Joe Starks, she was labeled as “the mayor’s wife”. Jody would always tell her she was of a higher class than the rest of the town, and shouldn’t interact with them because she was his wife. He also made her pin her hair up while at the store so that he was the only who could admire it. Janie’s hair was a large part of her identity, and pinning it up made her lose confidence in herself. Janie finally defined herself when she was married to Tea Cake. He respected her for her. She would wear overalls, work in the fields, wear her hair down, and talk to all of her peers in the Everglades. She could finally be who she wanted to be.

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  15. People should define who they are on their own for themselves, but this doesn't always happen, unfortunately. As far as Janie is concerned, in the beginning she defines herself as being just like everyone that she played with when she was little, a white girl. At points, she lets others define her, like when she married Joe Starks. The consequences were that she was stuck in a bad place. Janie couldn't do what she wanted to do and she was forced to play the "good wife". As the novel progresses, Janie changes. She leaves Joe and redefines herself when she meets Tea Cake. Janie and Tea Cake are more like married equals and neither one defines the other. Janie realizes that life is better when you make your own decisions and become the person you want to be.

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  16. Janie first defined herself as a child, she believed that she was just like all the white children around her. She didn't even let the thought of being colored cross her mind until she noticed the photo of her. In her teen years she would think of herself as a blossom waiting for a bee, and this vision was crushed when she was married to Logan. Janie let him tell her she was nothing more than a housewife, and that crushed her spirits. When she was with Joe Starks, she was told she had to be perfect and poised as a mayor's wife should be. This left Janie yearning to speak with the people of Eatonville. All of this changes when Janie is married to Tea Cake. Tea Cake does not tell Janie who to be once they are married, and allows her to find out who she is for herself. Janie realized that you should never let someone else chose who you are, but you should shape your own life.

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  17. In the beginning of the novel, Janie lived with a white family that treated her like one of their own children. So Janie believed to be white as a child. After leaving her Grandmother to marry Logan, he soon defined her as being a wife by doing the majority of the chores. It was a similar situation with her second husband, Joe Starks. When Janie would try to speak up, both men would become angry or even violent to prove who had the upper hand. As the novel progresses, Janie realizes that she doesn't want to be tied into difficult work for a husband that didn't pay attention to her needs. She leaves the small town to be who she defined herself as a child, and marry Tea Cake.

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  18. In the begining of the novel, Janie first defines herself as an equal to everyone around her, not even taking in the prejudice of blacks versus whites. She wants to be independant and do things on her own, not for the expectations of society. As she wants to shape herself into this independant person, her family and society push her down and mold her into what they see fit for a woman as she is. Janie doesn't fight too hard against this and lets herself get forced into a marriage she doesn't particularly enjoy as well as many other situations she, on her own terms, wouldn't have done. Though, as the novel progesses, she realizes that she shouldn't care so much about society and should take things into her own hands, making of life what she wants it to be for once.

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  19. I think that we are defined by people everyday but it is up to us to decide if you want their definitions to be accurate or not. In "Their Eyes Were Watching God", as a little girl, Janie was defined by her Grandmother and the choices her Grandmother made. For example, Janie was teased in school for living with her grandmother in the backyard of a white family. She had never thought anything of it until people started commenting on it so her and her grandmother moved. When she marries Joe he defines her as the mayor's wife and didn't allow her to do things that "a mayor's wife" shouldn't do. When she finally meets Tea Cake she forgets everyone else's definition of her and makes her own. She dresses how she wants, loves who she wants, and does what she wants and doesn't care what others think.

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  20. In the beginning of the novel, Janie doesn't really know how to define herself. She is confused and doesn't know what she wants. She saw the relationship between the bee and the Pear tree, and she wanted that. I think she was overwhelmed with emotions so she kissed Johnny. There are alot of points in the novel where Janie lets others define her. The very first one is where her Grandma makes her get married. Another one is how Jody makes her stay home from town events and doesn't let her get involved in conversations at the store. He just makes her work at the store and blames her for everything. The consequences for letting other people define her is that she forgets who she is. All her emotions and unsaid feelings build up and then she does something crazy, like running off with Jody.

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  21. At the beginning of the novel, Janie sets herself up as independent, and draws her own self-worth from her independence. Throughout the book, Janie’s overall happiness is directly correlated to how freely she can express herself, and be who she wants to be. When arranged to marry Logan, Janie is at first happy to be with a moderately successful man, while still being pampered like she was under her grandmother. However, as time goes on, Logan presses Janie to do more and more, and her happiness plummets. She no longer feels that she can define herself, and becomes distraught. As a result of allowing Logan to define her, she runs away with Joe to start a new life in Eatonville. Unfortunately, this decision ends up the same way as Logan, because as time goes on Joe pushes Janie into the store more and more often, lessening Janie’s self-value to the point where she doesn’t care when Joe dies. Janie finally meets Tea Cake, who is comparatively very free spirited and open with Janie, allowing her to feel much better about herself. She realizes that when she is controlled by another person, she does not derive the most enjoyment out of her life as she should be able to. Tea Cake helped her realize by the end of the book that the truest way to live her life was by herself, because she could forge her own destiny, not to be controlled by anyone else but herself.

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  22. As a child Janie thinks she is a white child. She defines herself as such until the kids at school pick on her. Here she lets her self be defined. But not to the point to where she is someone else's painting. As Janie goes on through life and through husbands, she loses herself in everyone's wants for her. I wouldn't say she changes who she is, but she doesn't truly stand for herself any longer. I think throughout the book she knows who she is deep inside, but she just will let others think and say what they want and her blank and flat woman expression takes it like she is expected to. But with each passing husband she remembers o shine a little more. Then finally at the end of the novel she shines her true self again once more. She never let others change who she was. But she let them believe who they thought she was.

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  23. When Janie is young, she identifies herself with her white family. Very soon she becomes downtrodden when she is made fun of in school for being black. Later, after being set up with Logan, the growing responsibility he puts on her, and her own misery contributes to limiting her sense of self. This happens again further in the novel, when she is married to Jody. His oppressing attitude towards her and his attempts to sculpt her into a "Mayor's Wife" go for the jugular of Janie's self image. She loses luster, but still has some "fight" in her; she has a new found freedom after Jody's death. The consequences of letting others define her are sacrificing her own happiness. After having her third strike in dealing with Jody, she comes to a realization. Janie figures out that she has only ever found inner gratification when she defines herself the way she wants to. This is also the point in the novel where she marries Tea Cake.

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  24. People can make and choose their own identity, but can be influenced by many factors. Sometimes people shift their identity to fit into society or a certain group. Very early into the novel we find out that Janie grew up living in the backyard of a white family. She always was with the white children, so she assumed that she was white herself. Not until she saw a photograph of herself did she realize that she was African Amereican. She got teased in school when all she wanted was to be treated equal. As Janie got older she has an idea of who she wants to become and what she wamts. Those thoughts are soon concealed though. She has to marry Logan Killicks, who treats her like a princess at first but then makes her work. When she marries Joe Starks she thought things were different but he changed her into the person that he wanted her to be. She was forced to pin her hair up, he made her into a trophy wife and gave her no voice. She doesn't come to find her true self again until she meets Tea Cake. He allows her to be herself and she feels comfortable around him. She is finally able to wear her hair down, which was a huge part of her identity. By the end of the book Janie finds herself and becomes happy.

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  25. Everyone has a choice to decide who they are in life, some people choose for themselves and some let others choose for them. At the beginning of the novel Janie's old friends judge her and call her names, they define who she is but she doesn't take what they say to heart. Its good to have opinions from people, it helps just like peer editing. its transforms you and improves you. However it is bad to listen to people who only give negative thoughts and only want to put you down. Janie saw past the negative opinions and lived life how she wanted and was happy because of it. Halfway through the novel Janie does let her husband Joe define her. She lets him tell her what to do, how to act, and what to wear. She lets him completely control her. After he dies she is with Tea cake who lets her be who she wants to be. The bottom line is let people encourage and make you a better person, don't let them put you down and make you feel worthless.

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  26. You should not let others defy who you are, but in today's society that sometimes isn't the case. We care constantly looking for what is acceptable and how to conform to everyone else's idea of what a person should be. Janie knew who she was as a child and did not even think about looks, or what people thought, because she was herself. As she grew up and was being judged by others she lost herself. Janie let the people around her defy who she was, Joe Starks told her she was the mayor's wife and she had to act like so. After Joe passes, Janie decides she'll be her own woman. When she meets Tea Cake he lets her be herself and enjoy her interests. Janie, in the end, restored her old self and became her own person, not letting anyone define who she is.

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  27. In the course of the novel, Hurston demonstrates that though others will attempt to identify a person, at the end it is up to the individual to identify who he or she is. In the beginning of the novel Janie begins as a fiercely independent girl. When she feels herself being oppressed by Logan Killicks, Janie runs away with Joe Starks, in whom she sees an opportunity to be herself once again. While Janie is married to Joe Starks her individual identity almost disappears as she comes to be known as the mayor’s wife instead of Janie as a person. She continues to do what Joe wants her to do only because she sees no other option. Through her married life with Joe she remains unsatisfied and though Janie appears to have submitted to Joe, she still has a flame burning within her. After Joe’s death, Janie meets Tea Cake and the flame once again becomes a fire. Once again Janie has the chance to be free and independent. She realizes that she cannot be happy if she allows someone to take away her individual identity.

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  28. Individuals are constantly shaped by interacting with other people. Although your identity is heavily influenced by family, friends, teachers, coworkers, and others, in the end you decide who you really are because who knows you better than yourself?
    When Janie is explaining her life to Pheoby in the beginning of “Their Eyes Were Watching God” she talks about her childhood and made it clear that she defined who she was when she was younger. Janie’s sense of identity diminishes when she is forced to marry Logan Killicks and does not return until she marries Tea Cake. When others try to define Janie she was not happy and felt confined. For example, when she was married to Joe Starks and he sheltered her and tried to make her the perfect mayor’s wife. Janie learns that she cannot let others define her and that people must accept her for who she is and not try to change her.

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  29. As human beings, our identities are ultimately decided by one's self. But while growing up and progressing through life, we are shaped by influences all around us that are both positive and negative. Our friends and family are strong influences, and if a person decides to surround themselves with positive influence, the outcome of their identity will be positive.
    At the beginning of the novel, Janie clearly defines herself as strong and independent. The views and opinions of others do not matter to her. But as she begins to tell her life story to Pheoby, there are significant moments when others define Janie. The view established of Janie at the beginning of the novel is not seen. When she is abandoned by her parents, and must live with her grandmother, that is a moment that Janie was quickly defined by. She only knew the life she grew up with, and was quickly forced to change when she married Logan Killicks. He wants her to be under his control and she changes into a quiet, somewhat obedient wife, until Joe Sparks promises her a life she couldn't pass up. Once with Joe, Janie is lost. the strong women introduced at the beginning of the novel disappears. She is made into a quiet mouse of a wife. Joe tries to make the perfect mayor's wife of her. The strong independent Janie does not reappear until she marries Tea Cake. She realizes that she doesn't need someone that defines her, but someone that accepts her. She is her own self and doesn't need someone making her opinions for her.

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  30. In the beginning of the novel, Janie is easily influenced and shaped by her grandmother due to her immaturity. For example, Janie’s grandmother convinces her to marry Logan Killicks because of his stability. She goes along with the marriage to appease her grandmother, but loses her individuality in the end. Although Janie willingly decides to marry Joe Starks, she slowly becomes less of an equal and loses the ability to make her own decisions as he became more successful. Eventually, Joe smothered Janie’s individuality too. In the end, Janie resented Jody for his actions. Finally, Janie marries Tea Cake. Throughout their marriage, Tea Cake recognizes Janie as an individual and allows her to make her own decisions. Janie realizes that she is happiest when she is treated as an equal and is allowed to make decisions for herself.

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  31. at the start of the novel, Janie wants to be her own person but is influenced by her grandmother to the point she marries someone she doesn't love. Her next marriage to Logan was a personal choice, but he ends suppressing her even more. He keeps her around as a political tool, and although he loves her, she doesn't like the way he expresses it. she loses even more individuality during this marriage. Jody dies, and Janie shows her freedom by letting her hair out of the ties that Jody made her put in. Janie then married Tea Cake by choice, and he treated her as an equal other than a tool or employee. As the novel progresses, her personal identify becomes more her choice than anything else, as she is not being told what to do and is free to make her own decisions with Tea Cake. When she let other people influence her choices as much as they did, she was unhappy. when she was free to let her hair down and make her own choices, good or bad, she was satisfied. She is happiest when people leave her to influence her own path.

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  32. Throughout Janie's life she has always been a dreamer but she has also let many people define who she is. In the beginning she was defined and shaped by her Grandma to believe that she needed to be married and she appeared as a fragile and dependent person when in reality she was not. Her second husband, Joe, did the same thing. He made her appear insignificant and one again fragile. Her identity was humble and obedient housewife. When she was finally set free her real identity came to light as a fun filled and joyous person with a thirst for adventure and happiness. Janie lets many people define her and it restrains her in progressing in her life. She let herself be unhappy with others because she was too afraid to define herself. In the end she decides to be herself and let no one define her. She wants people to see who she really is and not let them stop her from being who she is.

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  33. In the beginning of the novel, Janie is continually defined by the people around her. She never gets a say in any decision and she is forced into the marriage of Logan Killicks. This clearly shows how Janie comes to a point where she actually lets people define her. For example, when Janie leaves Logan for Jody, she lets Jody use his power to define his control over her. As the novel progresses, Janie slowly realizes she needs to learn to define herself instead of letting others define her. This point is made when Jody dies and Janie moves on to find love with Tea Cake. She finally found someone who allows her to express herself through love and feelings towards a man making her a free, independent woman.

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  34. The belief of a pre-determined destiny is an idea i do not support. I beleive that one defines his or hers own destiny through their daily lives day-by-day. In the novel "Their Eyes Were Watching God" Janie is subject to a life she cannot control. When is forced into marriage with Logan Killicks she has no say and has to accept the decisions that other make for her. When Janie marries Jody, Janie is forced to work instead of socializing and "going out". This shows how she once again has no say is subjec to obey wahat her husband says. Eventually she learns to make her own decisions and finds her true love, Tea Cake. She is then finally set free to be independent and live her life.

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